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The speaker questions Magruder's credibility due to inconsistent behavior and conflicting accounts, while also expressing doubt about the existence of definitive evidence. Coulson faces a perjury charge, and inconsistencies with Chuck's statements are noted, with Erlichman's claim suggesting potential innocence.
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01Magruder's claims and felons' accounts00:01–03:15 · 67 segmentsThe speaker questions Magruder's exaggerated claims and the uncertainty of the felons' accounts, while confirming new details align with previous findings.02Coulson Perjury Charge03:15–04:47 · 40 segmentsCoulson faces a perjury charge linked to the Liddy Project, with inconsistencies noted in Chuck's statements. Erlichman suggests the person is likely clear of wrongdoing.
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It's the word of the felons against the word of the men that raised the money.
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Guilty on a perjury charge.
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I just, B .B.'s over here overnight, and I just told him about the Mitchell thing, so he wouldn't get a surprise.
Yeah.
Naturally, he can't believe it, so that's that.
Well, I can...
It's one of those things.
It's hard to believe, but it's...
One thing that occurs to me, Bob, is this, and as I reflect a little on Magruder's stuff,
I'll be damned if I don't think that some of that could be, you know, exaggerated, but I just don't know.
I don't know.
Structural review signalI can't tell.
He's been so...
He's obviously flailing around like a wild man at the present time.
No, no, he's not really.
I think he was earlier, and he was frantic, but once he figured out where he was going, I think he thinks that this is what he remembers now.
But he could not...
I'm not sure that his interpretations on various things could be...
I mean...
He could be interpreted either way, you know, like his interpretation on Dean, his interpretation on Strawn, for example.
Yep.
Certainly.
That's right.
I just don't know how it's going to come out, though.
That's the whole point.
And I just don't know.
When I was serious, when I said to John at the end there, I said, God damn it, all these guys that participated in raising the money and so forth have got to stick to the line that they did
not raise this money to obstruct justice.
Well, I sure didn't think they were.
Mm -hmm.
Speaker attribution unavailableI didn't think they were, and I don't think they did.
Well...
With maybe some exceptions.
Structural review signalRight.
Right.
Of course, they will...
Structural review signalI suppose they will say that, I mean, like McCartus said, that was the purpose, but that somebody told him that, that didn't mean anything.
Yeah.
And the question, of course, is there, is Liddy and the others, but, you know, we shall see.
And it's the word of...
It's the word of the felons against the word of the men that raised the money.
That's right.
And, uh...
Yeah, he just...
Structural review signalAnd you don't know how much will come out in what way, either.
I mean, that's...
Structural review signalNo, we...
We have, uh...
Structural review signalAt least...
Yeah, but at least, I think...
Structural review signalI think now we pretty much know what the worst is.
I just...
I don't know what the hell else they could have that's any worse.
You know what I mean?
Unless, you know...
That's right.
Unless there's...
I mean, I don't know that, uh...
Unless somebody's got some piece of paper that somebody signed or some goddamn thing, but...
That I doubt.
Structural review signalIt doesn't appear that there is such a thing.
I mean, there's been no hint of that.
What's in here is all stuff that has been hinted at.
It goes further than what was known in some areas.
But it's...
Obviously, it's totally consistent, basically, with what everything John has developed.
Let me ask you this.
I wonder if it isn't not only fair, but in our interest, uh...
For...
Either you or John, without going into too much detail, to fill him in on Magruder.
I mean, having in mind, uh...
Coulson, that could, uh...
Structural review signalI'm telling you...
Structural review signalCoulson.
Coulson.
I
Speaker attribution unavailablemean, uh...
I mean, we have no interest, you know what I mean?
Getting his ass up there, you know, uh...
Uh...
Speaker attribution unavailableUh...
Speaker attribution unavailableUh...
Guilty on a perjury charge.
Mm -hmm.
Because there's nothing...
Jeb said that's inconsistent with anything that Chuck has said.
Oh.
Could
Speaker attribution unavailablebe right.
Chuck could say, yes.
The Liddy Project, sure.
Structural review signalBut I thought the Liddy Project was something else.
That's right.
That's what he does say.
Speaker attribution unavailableReview recommendedAnd as, uh...
Structural review signalErlichman said, and under questioning, they specifically...
Uh...
Specifically said that he didn't...
Get into the...
Uh...
You know, any specifics on it.
And they had nothing that hits him on any specifics.
And I think he's probably clear on it.
I
Speaker attribution unavailablethink he believes that, Bob.
Review recommendedHow about I know it?
Structural review signalI think he believes that, but...
I thought that all along.
Well, we're sleeping on the goddamn canyon.
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